Secular democracy and its critics

“Secularism” and “secular”are very much maligned words. Partly because they are not really understood by some people. But also because some religious people feel threatened by the words.

But they shouldn’t. Despite some attempts to equate the words with atheism and oppose them to religion they really don’t mean either of these. Unfortunately, though, some people insist on using the words that way.

Consulting dictionaries is not always helpful either because they usually list several different meanings.

What does “secular” mean?

However, when we use words like “secular” and “secularism” to describe our modern society definitions equating them with atheism or opposition to religion are completely inappropriate. When applied to society the meaning is more aligned with neutrality towards religion and other beliefs. As the cartoon implies.

So proper dictionary definitions of “secular” include:

  • “Not controlled by a religious body or concerned with religious or spiritual matters;”
  • “Worldly rather than spiritual;”
  • “Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: eg secular music;”
  • “Of or relating to the worldly or temporal;”
  • “Of or relating to worldly things as distinguished from things relating to church and religion; not sacred or religious; temporal; worldly.”

And so on. You get my point.

Secularism - Monk doing monastery accounts

Not at all opposed to religion, or denying a religious participation. It just describes procedures which cannot be appropriately treated as “sacred” (whatever that means).

I have the picture of a medieval monk sitting at a desk in an old monastery. A candle by his side he is doing the monastery accounts. He is doing secular work. (I don’t think even the most convinced religious apologists would consider accountancy “sacred.”)

We are all “secularists”

All of us, no matter our beliefs, are involved in secular activities most of the time.

As a scientist I worked alongside scientists with all sorts of beliefs. Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, Muslims, agnostics, and so on. Bloody hell, one of them was even a member of the ACT Party.

However, despite our different “world views”, we did our work, our scientific research, in basically the same way. We were all involved in collecting evidence, hypothesising, testing ideas against reality, producing effective scientific theories and validating them against reality. Our religious beliefs did not change the way we did our job.

Scientific research is secular – but done by people who hold many beliefs.

Most of you will also be doing secular jobs. If you are an accountant, a plumber, a builder, or whatever, your religious beliefs just don’t influence your work. Your job is secular. And you don’t feel any conflict with that.

Democracy secular by definition

We can look on society in much the same way. Of course opinions and beliefs inevitably do intrude into political and social activity. But while we can express religiously derived views we are actually dealing with a society which does not have uniform religious beliefs. Our society is pluralist. Religious opinions are very diverse. So while in New Zealand you can argue for an ethical or political position because your god told you it was correct or it is written in your “holy” book, such arguments are completely ineffective (outside your direct religious community).

This inevitably means that simple religious arguments cannot carry any weight politically or socially. The sensible protagonist will look for arguments which have wider appeal.

And that’s how it should be. Our political system is democratic, Our society is pluralist. No one belief can be imposed by loyalty. We have to engage in the market of ideas, putting forward our best arguments. And the best arguments are the ones that most people can respond to. Religious arguments just aren’t effective.

Consequently, in democratic, pluralist societies the political and social activity, the live discussion of ideas and decision-making about the best social or political situation, is inevitably secular. It must be to be democratic.

Our politics and social activity is secular even though the participants may hold a range of religious views.  It is secular because it is democratic.

So those religious apologists who argue that modern society somehow
“privileges” secularism over religion are making a basic category error. It’s like a political party condemning democracy, the very institution which provides them with a venue for their activity.

Unless of course, they would prefer a society which was undemocratic, but placed them in power while denying all other parties the freedom to exist.

Perhaps this is the way these religious apologists complaining of the “privileging” of secularism see it. Perhaps they would like to return to a society where there religious arguments were the only ones allowed in public discussion.

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60 responses to “Secular democracy and its critics

  1. So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like?

    They even re-route roads because of these mythical monsters!

    They also tell pregnant women not to come into certain museum exhibits because of some sacred rituals

    What a joke of a country!

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  2. Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group?
    Just a question.

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  3. No answer Ken?
    What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism?

    Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group?

    Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy.
    Just a thought.

    Just a little question, Ken

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  4. Mick, you need a sense of humour to appreciate this. Also the ability to use hyperlinks if you don’t know local events.

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  5. I checked out your link

    According to former party leader Rodney Hide, the party stands for “individual freedom, personal responsibility, doing the best for our natural environment and for smaller, smarter government in its goals of a prosperous economy, a strong society, and a quality of life that is the envy of the world”

    Horrifying, I agree.

    I can completely understand why you hate them.

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  6. No sense of Humour Mick!

    I mentioned the same thing at a meeting the other day and the audience were beside themselves.

    But you are obviously ingorant of the joke. It gets a big laugh nin NZ.

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  7. Cultural context is everything. Even someone entirely ignorant of local NZ politics could get the joke with a modest application of common sense and a basic understanding of the English language. Not that hard at all.

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  8. Richard Christie

    [ACT]… doing the best for our natural environment

    …that’s one of the more hilarious parts.

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  9. Consulting a dictionary, then a legal dictionary, some legal commentary, some philosophy textbooks, perhaps the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy which has a definitive article of the whole religion in public life debate and helpfully lists all the key resources for all sides of the debate showing that Ken’s justifications for the doctrine of religious restraint have been rather thoroughly debunked in the literature, might just aid you in the confusion created by dictionaries listing “several different meanings”.
    Or you could just follow the links included above to read the definitions cited on my blog (written by a philosopher and a legal scholar specialising in this debate). At our site you will find an overview of the debate complete with footnote references to academic sources (we didn’t just make our definitions up ).
    But I suppose if you’re into ‘rah rah atheism’ you don’t need to check what professional philosophers and legal theorists have said on the matter, a retired fertiliser scientist said it so you believe it!

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  10. Ken is a retired fertilser scientist?
    Thanks for the insight Madeleine

    Now we know where the (artificial) BS comes from!

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  11. Research chemist, Mick, but Madeleine really isn’t interested in the details.

    Now Madeleine, what about coming to grips with the content of my article instead of pretending profound knowledge. Come on – I go with evidence and reason – not impressed by footnotes and irrelevant references. Seen enough of them in my lifetime.

    I always find significance in the way protagonists avoid the issues.

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  12. Something like that. Check out Ken on Google Scholar.

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  13. Richard Christie

    Great arguments in those links Madelaine….

    http://www.mandm.org.nz/2011/08/a-godless-public-square-do-%E2%80%98private%E2%80%99-christian-beliefs-have-a-place-in-public-life-part-i-matthew-flannagan-theology.html

    The Objection
    So what is the problem with appealing to divine commands in social ethics? Pastafarian theological convictions ought to impact the whole of life both in the private and public spheres; this is what is meant by the idea of an “undivided life”, where his Divine Noodliness is Lord of all aspects of our lives.

    Yet this consequence of Pastafarian faith conflicts with a pervasive contemporary attitude: the view that that religion is fundamentally a private matter. It is accepted that a Pastafarian is free to utilise theological convictions and kitchen utensils when they make decisions about their own life but in a pluralistic society it is increasingly deemed inappropriate to bring such convictions or devices into public discussions about morality, law, politics, economics, education, scholarship and so on. The desire to influence society with fine dining etiquette or to convert others to the faith is viewed by many as an intolerant desire to impose one’s private views onto others.

    It is widely accepted that gastronomical convictions can govern the kitchens and the private lives of hosts of Pastafarian believers yet we are told that the public square – government, public policy, the courts, the academy, education, business, arts, media, etc – should be secular only. The problem is nicely summarised by Tuscan Cookbook. Pastafarian theological convictions ought to impact the whole of life both in the private and public spheres; this is what is meant by the idea of an “undivided life”, where His Divine Noodliness is Lord of all aspects of our lives……

    blah, blah blah

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  14. OK, I get the drift.
    Ken is just another ex-government scientist trying to protect his mates, his pension, and his outdated socialist dogma.

    How utterly predicable.

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  15. Mick, isn’t it nice when you can invent a story to “explain” away something that has been troubling you?

    Mind you it is a trap!

    Just a thought (at least someone is still capable of thought).

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  16. @mick. Let me guess…libertarian?…or perhaps, Ian Wishart, incognito??

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  17. Libertarian?
    Gosh no. I find the thought of personal freedom and individual responsibility utterly horrifying, just as Ken does.

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  18. I was actually referring to your obvious naivity Mick.

    Personal freedom and individual responsibility are not synomyns for libertarianism.

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  19. Personal freedom and individual responsibility are not synomyns for libertarianism.

    So what is it then?
    Maybe you can also explain what a “marxist libertarian” is, as well as a “socialist libertarian” (Both in Wikipedia)

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  20. Use your own eyes mate, I am not your brain prothesis.

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  21. Use your own eyes mate, I am not your brain prothesis.

    Basically, Nick, you don’t know. You are prepared to call me “naive”, yet you are unwilling to engage in discussion.

    \

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  22. So Madeleine – is this going to be the whole gist of your argument?:

    1: “Consult a dictionary, then a legal dictionary, some legal commentary, some philosophy textbooks” – a little bit childish as we are all capable of that. Simpler for you to relate to my descriptions of meanings?

    2: Accept that you are a brilliant legal scholar, Matt is a brilliant theologian and Glenn is a brilliant philosopher. Therefore I should not question anything you guys claim?

    3: That a “retired fertiliser scientist” (or whatever) cannot possibly contribute anything to this sort of discussion?

    I would have thought it far simpler (and more convincing) to actually engage with the isssues. Tell me where you think I am wrong (which requirtes reading my article) and alllowing normal discussion to flow.

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  23. @mick. Discussion??? I haven’t seen you making any arguments at all here, let alone cogent ones. It seems puerile sarcasm is about the limit of your capabilities.

    Maybe I am wrong though, how about you hit me with some sort of statement of opinion about something/anything without quote or link mining.

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  24. Hey here’s a thought Nick.
    Ken is going to the “Atheists convention” in Melbourne.
    At this conference will be the leader of the “australian sex party”, whose sole aim seems to be to promote their chain of “adult shops”.

    Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn.

    How’s that for a starter Nick?

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  25. Mick – you are wrong right from the kick off. I have never said I intend to go to the 2012 Melbourne Convention.

    I would love to of course – the 2010 Convention was a roaring success and there is an even greater line up of speakers this time. But health issues make it very unlikely.

    That’s the trouble with internet snipers and trolls. Their information is usually wrong, their aim is pathetic and they end up exposing themselves.

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  26. @mick. Not very interesting.

    As far as I am concerned, somebody is perfectly entitled to represent “the australian sex party” and promote their chain of “adult shops” wherever they like. Just as entitled as somebody to represent “The New Zealand ACT party” and promote their lineage of complete bullish…. ahem “policies” wherever they like.

    Say something interesting..

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  27. Oh cheers Ken. “snipers and trolls”
    Actually, I wasn’t critisising you

    As for Nick, I am in complete agreement. If someone wants to watch a woman having sex with a donkey, then so be it. I am not going to step in their way. However, pretending that this has anything to do with atheism seems a little disingenuous.
    All this woman wants to do is get rid of religion so she can peddle her porn. It has got nothing to do with religion or her views on the Big Bang theory, evolution or whatever.

    I am sure there are any number of hand-wringers going to this conference who might agree with me.

    BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm?

    In your own time mate.

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  28. Like I said, I don’t find this interesting Mick. I am certainly not going to try and analyse where she stands in relation to anything, and in fact I don’t even care enough about this to spend any research time at all on the subject.

    As far as puerile sarcasm goes, you got me bang to rights there… There were ca. 15 characters of it in my post. If that disturbs you, then just think of it as “mirror therapy”.

    Say something interesting….

    You could even say something about the topic of this thread perhaps. Where do you stand on secularism Mick?

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  29. Where do you stand on secularism Mick?

    Probably the same as you. I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick?

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  30. This “thread” is actually a statement of the bleeding obvious. I mentioned something about the NZers hypocrisy with regard to Maori superstition and how your government seems to opening support it.

    I also noticed that you didn’t want to ban the Burqa like France did.
    Maybe you are just all hypocrites?

    Just a thought Nick

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  31. A helluva lot more interesting than somebody’s chain of sex shops in Aussie. I have shocking news for you Mick, there are sex shops all around the world, there are even some in New Zealand.

    Maybe you haven’t realized how this “blog” game works. Let me fill you in.

    Somebody has a blog. They post articles on the blog about topics that interest them. They open a comments thread under these posts so that other people can post their own opinions and observations about the topic in question.

    Is that clearer now.

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  32. Ahh, perhaps we are now getting somewhere.

    From your last comment, can I take that you think that having a secular democracy is inconsistent with allowing people to wear burkas?

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  33. I have already made a comment about this blog post.
    I will repeat it for you, Nick.


    So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like?

    They even re-route roads because of these mythical monsters!

    They also tell pregnant women not to come into certain museum exhibits because of some sacred rituals

    What a joke of a country!

    That was comment #1 on this thread.
    Do you understand Nick?
    Do you understand that I was commenting on the subject of the blog post in question.
    Do you Nick?
    Do you understand?

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  34. From your last comment, can I take that you think that having a secular democracy is inconsistent with allowing people to wear burkas?

    Yes I do.

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  35. I must have missed that one. Maybe I subconsciously blanked it out due to the offensive nature of it.

    As far as you comment goes, what do you know about New Zealand history? Also, what do you know about the legal status of Maori in NZ?

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  36. Ahhhh, maybe we are getting somewhere. Why does having a secular democracy mean that you should ban the burka?

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  37. So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like?
    Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group?
    Just a question.
    No answer Ken?
    What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism?
    Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group?
    Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy.
    Just a thought.
    Just a little question, Ken
    Ken is a retired fertilser scientist?
    Libertarian?
    So what is it then?
    Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn.
    How’s that for a starter Nick?
    BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm?
    I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick?
    Maybe you are just all hypocrites?

    “Usually JAQing off (aka a type of Playing Devil’s Advocate) is a form of Trollism where rather than make declarative statements that you might then have to defend, you disguise the statement as a question and coyly claim that “I’m Just Asking a Question.” For example, in climate Denial you can JAQ off the false statement “CO2 is insignificant as a greenhouse gas” by simply prefixing it with “but isn’t it true that … ?”
    JAQing off has several advantages:
    1. you get to make the claim without having to defend it beyond the initial statement;
    2. it can make Trolls indistinguishable from people who are legitimately curious or confused and hence are less likely to be simply dismissed as a Troll;
    3. If the Troll is dismissed without an answer it will look as if the science proponent is intolerant and/or unable to answer the question;
    4. if the science proponent cannot answer the question, the point goes to the Troll;
    5. it will pull the science proponent into a long explanation of the facts if they are able to do so, at the very least wasting their time if nothing else.
    The disadvantage of JAQing off is that the questioner cannot pretend innocence and then suddenly start responding to the answer, at least not without exposing themselves as a Troll. To engage in any depth it is necessary to pretend a series of linked “yeah, but…” questions, and those can only be carried so far without exposing the deceit.
    For the Troll another problem is that “the question” is necessarily limited in the amount of alleged information that it contains, at least if it is to remain plausible as an innocent question. However, it creates a context where the science proponent get’s to lay out as many facts as they are able in order to answer “the question”. As a form of public theatre this can backfire badly. As such JAQing off is not that effective a technique when engaging informed science proponents.
    In print form JAQing off obviously does not suffer from the disadvantages associated with a back and forth exchange. However, it is not credible to JAQ off an issue in depth without revealing that you are being duplicitous, so it is not useful to approaching the main subject this way. Instead the way to do it is to JAQ off a number of associated issues with only one or two questions each such that they cast doubt on the actual facts.”

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  38. I know about the treaty of Waitangi.
    You must think I am thick Nick.

    WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?

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  39. Do you understand Nick?
    Do you understand that I was commenting on the subject of the blog post in question.
    Do you Nick?
    Do you understand?

    A never-ending stream of jacking off from Mick the moron. Get a life. Talk to a member of your family or something.

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  40. I see the auto-troll is back

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  41. You must think I am thick Nick.

    The shoe fits very well.

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  42. Well, I can’t deny that I have some doubts about your capacities there Mick.

    That’s why are I am asking a few leading questions to try and ascertain if you know anything about anything.

    So, given that you are an expert on NZ history, and the legal status of Maori in NZ, then you might have some understanding for the fact that sometimes, when it comes to government action/legislation, consultation with Maori is required.

    I can see though how this might confuse you. I means, it comes as a bit of a shock that the world is not constructed in absolutes, doesn’t it?

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  43. I can see though how this might confuse you. I means, it comes as a bit of a shock that the world is not constructed in absolutes, doesn’t it?

    The relativist emerges

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  44. Since you appear to be a cultural relativist Nick, perhaps you could give your views on genital mutilation and the stoning to death of adulterers and homosexuals in Islamic states.

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  45. whoa little doggie….. Where did you get the idea that I am a cultural relativist?

    What I have stated is that I don’t think the world is constructed from absolutes.

    One of the many problems with “absolutist” thinking is that it leaves you unequipped for negotiating a balance between conflicting objectives and consequences.

    Since you asked, I consider that both genital mutilation and stoning to death are abhorrent.

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  46. Mick is the internet sniper – like Gaddaffi’s men on roofs in Tripoli at the moment. History soon forgets these people but they seem to get pleasure in knocking off others. Consuequently Mick is not at all interested in the truth or reliability of media comments he wishes to use.

    It’s not worth debating Mick on the Maori issue – but notice:

    1: He did not provide any information of road diversion. He just doesn’t know enough about the event to know what consultation occurred or if any changes were made in the road plans or route. presumably he is opposed to public consultation when the skin colouyt of the peoiple involved is not white.

    2: He is completely wrong on the issue of menstruating women in Te Papa. That event occurred within a small group of museum workers and was quickly and icorrectly escalated to a public event. Unfortunately racists tend to do that sort of thing and the media plays along.

    Mick may only be sniper and may think he is protected by keeping his attacks brief and wild. But actually he is exposing his own beliefs all the time. We are actually learning a lot from him.

    I bet we could actually produce a psychological/political profile already.

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  47. Mick (the Just Asking Questions Troll)
    First JAQ-off was on August 5th ,2011.
    In the space of only 20 days, this much JAQ’ing off spam was created:

    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?

    Yes how does he see himself?

    That’s why are I am asking a few leading questions to try and ascertain if you know anything about anything.

    No. You are not asking a “few” questions.
    Don’t try and sugar coat it.
    Jacking off is all you do. It’s your thing. You need to talk to your mother or a good friend about this. If they are decent people, they will strongly disapprove of your actions. What you are doing is not reasonable or defensible. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  48. oops, obviously I have just been feeding the troll.

    My apologies.

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  49. Read through Cedric’s list – gives you a psychological profile, doesn’t it?

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  50. I often wonder what the motivation is for that sort of thing. Too much free time on their hands is part of it I suppose?

    At least on the religion front, I can understand the “auditioning” aspect of it.

    Libetrarians however, often seem to think they have perceived some sort of wonderful and simple truth that they must share, when really the only wonderfully simple thing in the room is them.

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  51. Oh so I am a racist now?

    Fuck off Ken

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  52. Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?

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  53. Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?
    Was this post about Norway or something? Do you need to be rebooted Cedric? Jacking off? Odd thing to say. Do you need some special superpowers to understand this bullshit? Which original doco Ken?Just asking a question. Which of the people in the video are ex-scientists or engineers? Can you name them? Just asking a question. Richard Lindzen Engineer or ex-scientist? John Christy Engineer or ex-scientist? Fred Singer Engineer or ex-scientist? Nir Shaviv Engineer or ex-scientist? Phillip Stott Engineer or ex-scientist? Paul Reiter Engineer or ex-scientist? I was just asking him a question. Maybe there is some confusion? Why does this matter? I am confused. But aren’t those guys in my video climate scientists? Were their voices tampered with in the making of the video? We might be kidnapped by Aliens because of Global Warming. Look, it’s in the Guardian, based on research between NASA and Penn State. Would they lie to us? NASA didn’t lie about the moon landings. NASA didn’t lie about global warming. NASA didn’t lie about the space aliens. What are we going to do about the aliens? What about the children? NASA wouldn’t lie to us. We need to do something! How did you write this article without a computer? Has this “global government” thing been debunked too? How do you know Monckton’s visit was a failure? So it was a failure then? Not a success? Why do they use the term “Right Wing Think Tank”? Are there no “Left Wing Think Tanks”? What do these mean anyway? Just a thought. So, Cedric, what does the term “Right Wing” mean to you? So what is a libertarian then? Right or left? Would you agree that the NZ Maori parties are “right wing”, using this definition? Seems a little far fetched, don’t you think.? Can I ask you a question every minute of an entire 8 hour working day? Can I? Did you check your sources Ken? Maybe they are making it up? Just a thought. Is this correct? Why does it take 39 hours to process one FOI request? Why don’t they just release all the data on a public website and be done with it? This “policy on climate change” will not also come at a significant cost to the taxpayer? Just a thought? It’s their own stupid fault. What did they expect? Is everyone who issues an FOI request a “denier”? Should we automatically accept everything the guvmint says as true, especially if they are after our money? Just a thought. Why does the guvmint complain when they create a system open to abuse? I can put a lot of thought into it. Where do you want to start? Just a question. What is your definition of the “real world”? Is it smelling roses on a rainy Sunday, sitting in front of your PC, or jogging along the path listening to your iPod? Just a question. See above. Just a question. Wasn’t he the guy who quit his job at the Courier Mail after his losing debate in Brisbane against Monckton , the man that no credible person in NZ will debate with?Just a thought. Does Cedric pass the Turing Test? Where did he get us Richard? Into Iraq and Afganistan? Just a thought. You met the Australian Sex Party? Did they give you one of those tattoos? Why would she advise Muslims to convert to Christianity? (Punishable by death under Islam law) and also, why should she want to speak about it at an atheist conference? So why do NZers have all this Maori nonsense about Taniwhas and such like? Why did you mention this ACT party? Is it a religious group? Just a question. No answer Ken? What has this “Act party” got to do with secularism? Do you have some personal axe to grind with this group? Come on, spit it out. Don’t be shy. Just a thought. Just a little question, Ken Ken is a retired fertilser scientist? Libertarian? So what is it then? Don’t you think this is a little shallow? These supposed “intellectuals” have in their midst a woman who is opening exploiting her gender with hard core porn. How’s that for a starter Nick? BTW, Nick, please explain to me why your comment about this “Act party” is not puerile sarcasm? I guess that’s not interesting though, is it Nick? Maybe you are just all hypocrites? WTF has the treaty got to do with these mythical monsters?

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  54. Get the message Ken?

    Just a little question?

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  55. Richard Christie

    A I’ve remarked upon before… those avatar thingies are strangely accurate.

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  56. Wow, my little list really got a reaction from him.
    The truth always hurts. :)

    Oh so I am a racist now? Get the message Ken? Just a little question?

    He just can’t help himself. Talk about obsessive compulsive behaviour.
    Lol.

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  57. mmmmm …. very adult.

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