Here we go agian

Just when we seem to be making progress over Syria this has to happen. The US was starting to accept that the current elected president in Syria no long “has to go.” Peace talks are underway in Geneva.

And then President Bashar al-Assad had to torpedo all this progress by launching a chemical attack on little children in Idlib. What a fool.Well, if you believe that I guess you might believe anything.

Well, if you believe that I guess you might believe anything.

In the video above, the former British Ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, presents a far more sensible analysis. He is imminently reasonable in his analysis – but unfortunately the same cannot be said for our mainstream media, leading European politicians and the representatives of NATO countries in the UN Security Council.

Lessons from Aleppo reporting

I think it disgusting for our media and these politicians to unquestioningly take at face value reports from Al Qaeda – the umbrella organisation for the “rebel”/”terrorist’ groups in Idlib, and their propaganda arms – the White Helmets and the Idlib Media Center. Hell, we saw all this before. The propaganda from the Jihadists in east Aleppo, propagated by the White Helmets and the Aleppo Media Center. Reports of chemical attacks, massacres, bombing the “last” schools and hospitals.

In the end, the Aleppo Media Center and the White Helmets left with the jihadist fighters under the surrender agreement and have now set up in Idlib.

Now independent reporters have access to the parts of Aleppo formerly held by the jihadis what do we find? Schools used as arms factories, remaining evidence of the chemicals they used to manufacture chemical weapons.

And the jihadis have used, and still use, chemical weapons in both Syria and Iraq. Yet, strangely, those events, while they sometimes are reported in our mainstream media, never get the NATO Ambassadors running to call UN Security Council Meetings.

Of course, I do not know what really happened in Khan Sheikhoun, Idlib. We really don’t yet have the facts – as UN officials have pointed out. It seems to me unreasonable to assume that the Syrian air force used chemical weapons in their attack on jihadis there. After all, the Syrian government gave up all their weapons, under US supervision, in 2013. And what could they possibly have to gain? They are doling so well, militarily, at the moment. They don’t need this sort of bad publicity.

Dogs returning to their own vomit

No, the Syrian government is not gaining from this event – but the “rebels”/”terrorists” are. And so are those who wish to torpedo the peace conference – or worse, organise a NATO military attack on Syrian armed forces and aerodromes.

But haven’t we seen all this before. isn’t this what was attempted in 2013 with the blaming oaf a similar chemical attack on the Syrian government. Isn’t this, as Peter Ford says, just like “dogs returning to their own vomit.”

Hopefully, other politicians have a memory – and a conscience. They will not be fooled by yet another attempt to justify intervention. To justify “regime change.”

Hopefully, they will, at least, have more sense than the current gung-ho politicians from NATO. Hopefully, they will refuse to pass judgement until they have some facts. Hopefully, they will not be so silly that they trust the word of Al Qaeda and its propaganda arms.

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21 responses to “Here we go agian

  1. Yes, here we go again.

    And yet, despite your delusional pro-Russian bias, and your bile-reeking support of dictator, el presidente, Assad, I actually happen to agree with you. Trump acted hastily. He didn’t know for a fact that Assad was guilty of anything (in this instance).

    Yes, here we go again. Ken Perrott sitting on a self-righteous perch judging and condemning Western, mainstream media:

    “I think it disgusting for our media and these politicians to unquestioningly take at face value reports from Al Qaeda . . ”

    Bullshit. I happen to see MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, last night, openly saying “We don’t know who did this.” He’s the only guy I caught last night, but as a random sample of mainstream reports, the U.S. Free Press gets 100% for disproving your judgmental analysis.

    Mainstream media, which you claim controls “people who cannot think for themselves.” . . A problem that “seems to be rampant in the mainstream news media at the moment . . ”

    Ok . . since your worldview is the standard by which others should be judged . . Let’s take a look at you and your evolving story. First you implied the chemical attack in Idlib was staged. It was a hoax:

    Ken Perrott: “Typical White Helmets video coverage (remember they have been awarded an Oscar for their acting). The White Helmets appear to be the main “activists” reporting this event – another indication of their close integration with Al Quaeda forces as was obvious in eastern Aleppo.”

    Then your story changed to, ‘It wasn’t sarin . . it was chlorine.’

    Ken Perrott: ” . . chemical gasses (probably chlorine) used by Al Quaeda at this arms factory may have been released killing some locals. Jihadist forces in this part of Syria captured several factories producing chlorine several years ago and sometimes use chemical weapons locally.”

    What will it be tomorrow? Likely, whatever RT tells you to think.

    So much for the credibility of a guy who condemns others because he claims they, “cannot think for themselves and object to others thinking for themselves.”

    Nevertheless, I do agree with you. Trump acted hastily.

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  2. Calm down, David. readers will start to think you have a screw loose. 🙂

    Yes, I did refer to “our mainstream media, leading European politicians and the representatives of NATO countries in the UN Security Council.” And, on the whole, they have been completely disgusting.

    I agree some elements of the media have started to back peddle – a bit. Now and then even Al Jazeera will use more correct terms like affected by the release of chemicals – but more often they still stick with a chemical weapons attack (although, admittedly now and then adding alleged). But the overwhelming presentation of the mainstream media is supporting the Al Qaeda story.

    As for the politicians and UN ambassadors, their attitude is inhuman and disgusting.

    I did not comment in this article about sarin or chlorine – so your point seems to indicate confusion on your part. You are mixing things up with another discussion perhaps.

    So, you agree Trump acted hastily. Beware of the implication of your statement. That is exactly the point made by the UNSC ambassador from the Russian Federation. Their resolution condemns such precipitous and illegal action and calls for a proper investigation of the event.

    You are also out of step with not only Trump, but the leaders of NATO and their representatives at the UN.

    You should really refresh your mind about how McCarthyism works. next thing people will accuse you of watching RT or being one of “Putin’s useful idiots.” 🙂

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  3. Ken, your comment: “Calm down, David. readers will start to think you have a screw loose.”

    Doubtful. It’s more likely they will conclude you are suffering from Trump-Syndrome.

    Both you and Trump believe that if you said something yesterday, you didn’t say it. The problem with Trump . . . his comments are videotaped.

    Ken: “I did not comment in this article about sarin or chlorine – so your point seems to indicate confusion on your part. You are mixing things up with another discussion perhaps.” Ahh, another discussion, that means you didn’t say it.

    You are referring to these comments from me: “Let’s take a look at you and your evolving story. First you implied the chemical attack in Idlib was staged. It was a hoax . . . . . Then your story changed to, ‘It wasn’t sarin . . it was chlorine.’”:

    Ken: “As for this latest chemical attack on an Al Quaeda cave base in Idlib – has anyone been able to verify it yet?. . . . Typical White Helmets video coverage (remember they have been awarded an Oscar for their acting).”
    https://openparachute.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/the-putin-derangement-syndrome/#comment-81481

    Ken: “Regarding the incident in Idlib . . chemical gasses (probably chlorine) used by Al Quaeda at this arms factory may have been released killing some locals. Jihadist forces in this part of Syria captured several factories producing chlorine several years ago and sometimes use chemical weapons locally. . . . (It was) More likely chlorine.” https://openparachute.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/the-putin-derangement-syndrome/#comment-81491

    Now, to be clear, all of your (evolving) comments were in regard to one single incident in Idlib . . what you first called an “al Quaeda cave,” correct? And you seem to be saying that because you said it two days ago, “in another discussion perhaps,” that you are not responsible for those comments?

    Trump Syndrome. Another classic symptom of Trump Syndrome is his belief that if you tag someone with a label enough times, it will begin to stick. Remember “Crooked Hillary,” ” Lyin’ Ted,” “Little Marco,” and of course, “you have a screw loose,” “your point seems to indicate confusion on your part.”

    But Trump is more crafted at this skill than you are. He keeps it simple. “Lyin’ Ted,” See? Simple. It works. It would have been better if you would have said, “Dizzy Dave,” or “Dopey Dave.” Clinton used to say K.I.S.S.
    Keep it simple, stupid.

    Trump Syndrome. Always take the Russian, and their little dictator’s side, right or wrong. (Although Trump seems to be back peddling on that now, which is another symptom of T.S.) We see it in your evolving story-line about Idlib. “An al Quaeda cave base?” Really? It couldn’t have been the Russian backed Syrian gvt. killing children, could it.

    And of course, whatever YOU are guilty of, blame somebody else, preferably the “fake” media.

    Your quote: “I agree some elements of the media have started to back peddle.” Blaming someone else for your actions. A clear indication of Trump Syndrome.

    All you need now are unwavering arrogance and a few billion dollars . . well, maybe just a few billion dollars.

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  4. By the way, regarding your comment, “You are also out of step with not only Trump, but the leaders of NATO and their representatives at the UN.

    You should really refresh your mind about how McCarthyism works. next thing people will accuse you of watching RT or being one of “Putin’s useful idiots.””

    I’m not worried. I’m not a Russian journalist speaking Truth to Power. If I was, then, yes, I would certainly have my affairs in order.

    Paul Krugman, of the New York Times, who gave you the phrase, “Putin’s useful idiots,” speaks Truth to Trump all the time. My favorite Trump-basher is Chris Matthews of MSNBC. I doubt either of them are concerned about someone putting a hit on them, in sharp contrast to their Russian colleagues.

    HBO’s John Oliver, another favorite Trump critic, once said, “To Trump’s credit, he hasn’t murdered me.” Of course he was discussing journalism in Russia.

    I’ve forgotten how McCarthyism works? You’ve forgotten how journalism in Russia works 😉 But keep defending the Russian Federation. Putin needs all the useful idiots he can get.

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  5. You are burbling David. That is something you and Brian do have in common.

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  6. Is it just a coincidence that USA has performed international aggression against Syria exactly 100 years plus one day after USA entered World War 1? And made the decision 100 years exactly.

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  7. Is it just a coincidence….

    No, Brian, it is conclusive proof that Trump really is a Lizardman.

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  8. Or controlled by them. I don’t think him to be feeling good. Not moving his arms at all in the announcement. Just holding the podium.
    And in the procession of big wigs his wife was holding his hand.

    Is the “sarin attack” with the white helmets tending to people (without wearing hazard gear) a coincidence to follow on from?

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  9. “Is it just a coincidence…”

    Unless or until someone does a statistical analysis that proves otherwise, yes.

    I’d say it’s also probably a coincidence that the cruise missile strike on al-Shayran air base took place just twelve days short of the 42nd anniversary of Operation Frequent Wind.

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  10. Oops! Twenty-three days short of the 42nd anniversary of Operation Frequent Wind.

    And as we all know, the ultimate answer, to life, the universe and everything, is forty-two.

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  11. Syuartg, Most people accept a century as notable.

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  12. Ken, thank you for our enjoyable discussions. I learned a lot from you 🙂

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  13. Sarcasm shows as a characteristic of a loser trying to beat down vulnerable people.

    Stuartg you appear to be supporting a regime with an agenda of overthrowing the multicultural coexistence of Syria and advancing state religion as in Saudi Arabia or maybe Turkey; suppression of Assyrian Christians.

    In my education I was taught to appreciate separation of religion and state and education and religion.

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  14. And Stuartg what do you think of the terrorism against Coptic Christians in Egypt following the changes brought about by US invasion of Egypt?

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  15. Brian, when did this US invasion of Egypt occur?

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  16. soundhill,

    2017 is the thousandth anniversary of the foundation of the Druze religion. How significant do you think that would be in Syria?

    It’s also the thousandth anniversary of the annexation of Sri Lanka, Cnut’s division of England into four Earldoms, revolt of the Sunnis against the Shi’ites in Kairouan…

    It’s the 500th anniversary of the ending of the fifth Council of the Lateran.

    Fifty years and a day before the strike on al-Shayrat, the Communist Party won elections in India. How significant was that?

    Of course, they’re all coincidences, absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Or are they???

    The point is that it is possible to cherry pick “significant” anniversaries for virtually any date or any event in history.

    Any​ individual may choose to believe that any such relationships are significant, nothing can prevent them from doing that.

    But if that individual wishes​ to convince others of a relationship between events or anniversaries, then the same individual has to produce documented supporting evidence of the relationship.

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  17. soundhill,

    “Stuartg you appear to be supporting a regime…”

    There you go again, attributing thoughts and meanings where there is absolutely no evidence.

    For the record: I recognise that I have insufficient knowledge of the history of Syria and recent events there to be able to make any meaningful contribution to a discussion on the subject.

    My comments were about a person believing in the significance of coincidences.

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  18. Sorry invasion of Iraq and greater influence of US in the region. Now Egypt is getting closer to Iraq and the Muslim Brotherhood is getting big in the area.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Iraq_relations

    Coptic Christians are getting a harder time especially since the Maspero Massacre
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-10/who-are-egypts-copts/8429634

    There is a hidden hand with an agenda to break up (balkanize) countries, now Syria, which have had many peoples living together. The Kurds for example are getting support or not being resisted as they go after the Christians.

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  19. Thanks Stuartg Kabbalists &c have been concerned with number patterns for a long time.

    *If* the century between the two entries of USA into world war is part of an intended pattern then since USA had no invitation from a recognised government or UN then would the excuse have been manufactured?
    https://twiggietruth.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/trump-and-those-headlines-numerology-gematria-saturn-jupiter/

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  20. soundhill,

    “*If*”…

    There’s no need to waste energy on imaginary fantasy based relationships until it is shown that coincidences aren’t.

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