Ranking human conflicts and tyrannies

In my debates with some theists over the nature of human morality I am sometimes accused of being utopian. Of only seeing a good side to human nature. Ignoring the history of violence and persecution.

Maybe it’s just a matter of my critics finding a balanced view of human nature impossible. However, I reject their criticism because I have in fact written about the human nature and intuitions, such as the “then vs us” intuition, which have motivated negative examples of human activity.

Still, these critiques have put me in admirable company – Steven Pinker has received similar unwarranted criticism. Particularly in the publicity surrounding his new book: The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined.

I have a copy and look forward to reading it. His earlier books are impressive and this has certainly had excellent reviews.

Pinker argues, and provides evidence for his argument, that human violence has declined. He is not claiming this trend is inevitable or that it cannot be reversed. Just that it is a fact of recent history.

The Guardian recently published an interview with Pinker about his findings. You can read it at Steven Pinker: fighting talk from the prophet of peace. This included a table from the book that impressed me.  it was a list of the 21 worst atrocities (conflicts or tyrannies) in human history. Pinker recalibrated these, to express the number of victims in terms of an equivalent 20th Century population.

I have listed the data below in order of the recalibrated death tolls. It certainly provides some food for thought. (And, incidentally put’s paid to the simplistic ideologies which blame all wars and atrocities on either religion or atheism).

Ranking Conflict Century Death toll* Death toll (20C equivalent)**
1 An Lushan revolt 8th 36m 429m
2 Mongol conquest 13th 40m 278m
3 Middle East slave trade 7th-19th 18m 132m
4 Fall of the Ming dynasty 17th 25m 112m
5 Fall of Rome 3rd-5th 8m 105m
6 Timur Lenk 14th-15th 17m 100m
7 Annihilation of the American Indians 15th-19th 20m 92m
8 Atlantic slave trade 15th-19th 18m 83m
9 Second world war 20th 55 million 55M
10 Taiping rebellion 19th 20m 40M
11 Mao Zedong (mostly government-caused famine) 20th 40M 40M
12 British India (mostly preventable famine) 19th 17m 35m
13 Thirty years’ war 17th 7m 32m
14 Russia’s “time of troubles” 16th-17th 5m 23m
15 Josef Stalin 20th 20m 20m
16 First world war 20th 15m 15m
17 French wars of religion 16th 3m 14m
18 Congo Free State 19th-20th 8m 12m
19 Napoleonic wars 19th 4m 11m
20 Russian civil war 20th 9m 9m
21 Chinese civil war 20th 3m 3m

*Median/mode of figures cited in encyclopaedias or histories. Includes battlefield and civilian deaths
**Deaths were calculated against global population at time, then scaled up to mid-20th century level


One of the figures from Pinker’s new book also illustrates his main point. This is his Figure 5.3: 100 worst wars and atrocities in human history.
Perhaps we are getting better?

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9 responses to “Ranking human conflicts and tyrannies

  1. So these death toll numbers have been “adjusted” to 20th Century equivalents.

    Why, haven’t we seen this kind of stuff before 😉

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  2. Why is “Josef Stalin’ listed as a “conflict”? This seems like a very disjointed analysis, apart from the 20th Century equivalent concept which seems a bit odd to me.

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  3. No mention of the various middle east conflicts, the NI “troubles”, 9/11, the Korean war, Vietnam, etc etc.

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  4. Mick, the list is of conflicts or tyrannies, and Stalin certainly falls under the latter. The reason 9/11 isn’t mentioned is because only ~3,000 people died compared to the three million that died in the Chinese civil war (#21). Looking at Wikipedia, the death toll for the Korean War doesn’t breach 3 million deaths, and Vietnam doesn’t make it either, depending upon the estimate.

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  5. Yes, Kele, it is clear that the list is for the 21 worst and the figure for the 100 worst.

    Unfortunately, our resident troll has comprehension problems.

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  6. Adolf Hitler was also a tyrant that killed about 6m Jews, but this gets lumped in with WW2 as a single “event.”

    Pol Pot killed 2m people in around 4 years. The American Indians were wiped out over a period of 4 centuries (50,000 per year), yet this is deemed to be “worse” than Pol Pot.at 500,000 per year

    The methodology seems a little arbitrary to me.I don’t buy the 20th C adjustment either. A lot has changed in recent years – wealth, health and longevity, nature of warfare, technology, etc.

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  7. No mention of the various middle east conflicts, the NI “troubles”, 9/11, the Korean war, Vietnam, etc etc.

    Mick’s poor comprehension is carefully explained.
    Mick doesn’t have anything to say.
    So…

    Adolf Hitler blah, blah, blah

    Dumber than a bag of hammers.

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  8. Adolf Hitler was also a tyrant that killed about 6m Jews, but this gets lumped in with WW2 as a single “event.”

    Pol Pot killed 2m people in around 4 years. The American Indians were wiped out over a period of 4 centuries (50,000 per year), yet this is deemed to be “worse” than Pol Pot.at 500,000 per year

    The methodology seems a little arbitrary to me.I don’t buy the 20th C adjustment either. A lot has changed in recent years – wealth, health and longevity, nature of warfare, technology, etc.

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